Conversation with Lucifer

If a liver cell chooses to become a lung cell, it will become one. Why do you think you have less freedom of choice than a liver cell?

You said that I choose how my cells will develop.

I spoke about co-creation. You choose together. But right now, the process of your interaction, your joint choice, is not conscious for you; it’s automatic.

For me? Are you saying that for the liver cell it is conscious?

More than it is for you. Don’t your cells send you different signals, such as pain?

But if all my organs are working normally, I don’t hear the signals.

Exactly, you don’t hear them. But let’s return to the Universe. Who do you think determines its development plans?

God.

But for God, everything is a new experience. How can you plan something new if its characteristics and new parameters are unknown? It’s like asking scientists to invent something new, without knowing what it should be.

Are you saying there are no plans for the Universe?

God has no plans. He simply exists, and we exist as parts of Him. And as His parts, He accepts any development plans for His parts, which is independent creation. Why would He allocate parts of Himself within Himself if they acted only according to His plan?

But the system of the Universe is quite stable and harmonious. If there is no common plan, how does it exist without falling apart?

Everything interacts and finds ways to interact because there is no other option. You cannot destroy life and the Universe itself. You cannot eliminate God within you, or destroy God altogether. You cannot stop the process of creation within you. Therefore, in this regard, you have no choice. God and forms of His perception will always exist, or at least as long as God has decided so. But in all other matters, it is you who chooses how and what to create, whether to create according to existing templates and creation programs or to create your own program and templates of creation. Right now, you are creating this text, which somewhat differs from the common templates of world perception, and in this way, you are creating your world and your boundaries of interaction with other forms of perceiving Divine Light.

Wait, but I can’t create everything and everyone. If I am a part of someone, can I choose something different from that of whom I am a part?

Let's imagine an infinite matryoshka doll, for the sake of simplicity. Suppose you are the smallest matryoshka, although infinity exists in all "directions." You can create within yourself and manifest another part inside of you, or you can interact with the matryoshka that is outside of you. You cannot interact with the largest matryoshka, at least not directly. You can interact with it indirectly through a certain number of other matryoshka forms, passing your creative impulses through them. In this way, your freedom lies within your internal creation, while outside of you, you create within the framework of interaction with the matryoshka that communicates with you.

If the smallest matryoshka is you, then all the others are forms of your perception of the world, the boundaries of your reality. But at a certain point, you realize that beyond the boundaries of you as the smallest matryoshka, there is a space of perception, and you are one with it. You begin to dissolve your form to interact with this space. Since you can only create within yourself (and this is a certain limitation of freedom of choice), you cannot create outside your own space. However, you can expand your boundaries, extend your internal space. You can start merging with the space external to you and unite with it in your creation.

At a certain stage of this merging, you realize that the space you are connecting with is also you, in the sense that your small matryoshka was created from it. Then you are free to choose: whether to remain a separate matryoshka or to dissolve your boundaries and merge into a larger matryoshka. Or to remain an independent matryoshka and expand yourself through your internal space and creations within you. And so, infinitely, in both directions. Because by disidentifying with your matryoshka, you find yourself once again as a matryoshka, only larger, and the process repeats.

Are you talking about the development of the human body?

I am talking about the process of the Spirit's descent and ascent. And matryoshkas are a very primitive representation, as the process is not only infinite but also multidimensional, that is, infinite-dimensional.

Does that mean I'm always acting within certain boundaries?

Yes, until you become the creator of those boundaries.

What does that mean?

It means that the true gift of love to each of its parts, given by the Original God, is that each of us can become an independent creator not only of the forms of our world but also of the laws of our world's development, building our own universe.

How is that possible? Is it when one uncovers all the matryoshkas and reunites with the Original God?

It is when one creates within oneself one's own universe and the laws of its existence. Each of you holds the potential to be a creator of universes.

But if that's the case, anyone can create who knows what!

Many do create. You just haven't encountered these worlds and universes yet, but echoes of their existence are present in your memory and in the information that comes to humanity.

Do you mean the hierarchy of Darkness?

That, too, although the hierarchy of Darkness is part of the world of some of you. I mean the multiple universes that exist. They are countless. Just as their creators are.

Part 8. Immortality. The Balance of Divine Energy

What is the difference between life and death?

A person dies, and the spirit leaves their physical body.

So, what is dead is that which has no Spirit.

And what is Spirit?

A Divine Impulse. So, does death mean the absence of the Divine Impulse?

The absence of the Divine Impulse is a push towards death. Death is the destruction of something, while life is creation and creation. Death occurs when creation ceases.

Are you saying that there is something in which creation does not exist?

There is no desire to create. Wait a minute. A person grows old and dies. They die of old age.

They die from a lack of desire to create. We've talked about this before. You are an experience of God's creation. You were created for the experience of God's creation. If you stop creating and experiencing, you will die.

The Spirit simply leaves the body. But why does it leave the body? What happens next?

The Divine Impulse, which you call Spirit, returns, merges with the One Impulse, and the accumulated experience is recorded in a structure you call the Soul.

So, we are all just records of Divine experience?

If you don't create.

And if we do create?

You are creators.

So, our whole choice is to create or not to create?

Yes, or in other words, to go through the diverse divine experience or to refuse to go through the experience.

But who then refuses if I don't actually exist and there is just some file recording the Divine experience?

What does the concept of "I am" mean to you?

It means I am aware of myself, I think, I perceive, I distinguish myself from others.

When you create, you manifest in God. Your creation is different from the creation of others, and this is the only way you differ from others because everything is God.

But, since I am just a file recording God's creation, and I only manifest when I create, that is, when I go through this experience, it means that this way God manifests through me. So, I am God, manifested through my perception to go through experience.

Yes, you understand. And each of you is a manifestation of God through your perception. And so you are God. And each of you is God. If you perceived only through sight, you could be called the eyes of God. But your perception is broader.

Then can we be called video cameras through which God observes life?

No. When a person watches footage taken by a video camera, they are not the camera itself; they can only watch but cannot influence what they see, except through their perception. They have their own apparatus of perception and simply perceive the video footage, but they cannot control what happens on the screen.

God does not have a separate perception from you. He perceives everything through you and only through you. God entered your body to perceive and experience Himself through other parts of Himself. And in this sense, you are God. Each of you is God.

Another way to put it, since infinity and multidimensionality are still not very clear to you, is that God can simultaneously perceive through billions of ways of perceiving Himself, through parts of Himself, while still being the One God. Imagine a lamp, a sphere, with light coming out of it through numerous openings. This is an approximate analogy, but then you will understand. Each beam of light, when it exits the lamp sphere, feels like a separate, independent beam and can choose what to illuminate. But all the light is God, and each beam of His is simply a way of illuminating the part of Himself that He has not yet known. And therefore, the neighboring beam of light visible to you is also you, because you are God, and he is God. But he illuminates differently.

So, there is no freedom of choice. What can a beam do? Only shine.

God, too, can only shine. He is the light. Think about how God cannot influence His parts in how they shine, what paths His light will take as it reflects, and how it will reflect off what it encounters. In this sense, God has even less choice than you do, or rather, you are His choice. He not only perceives through you but also makes choices through you.

When you, as parts of God, His beams, go through different paths, different experiences, information about your paths and your choices becomes a kind of filter in the lamp's opening. And then the light of God, passing through this filter, is colored in its own way, different from others. This is you, the prisms of God's perception. And it is only up to you how you will reflect God's light. So, who has more free will?

But we are told that there are guardian angels, or our higher aspects, who guide us and help us go through the best possible experience for us.

I have drawn you a picture of a linear process for simplicity of perception. But everything is multidimensional or fractal, as you say. Each outgoing beam of light becomes a similar lamp and also divides its perception into millions of other beams of light, which also gain experience and become unique lenses of perception for them.

For you, the closest light lamp in perception is your personal God, your Higher Aspect. In addition, in this unimaginable picture, all beams at all stages of their passage also interact with each other, since the process is non-linear. And all this is a beautiful interweaving of Divine Light passing through various lenses of perception.

I see. Let's get back to death. Through my physical body, God perceives a part of Himself. Why does my body die?

Your personal God, your Higher Aspect, perceives parts of itself through your physical body. Your Higher Aspect is also a beam of light from its personal God, its Higher Aspect, and so on, to infinity. Everything is similar. Your Higher Aspect is also a multidimensional "lamp" that emits light through a vast number of perception points.

So my Higher Aspect perceives through someone else's bodies as well?

Yes, but these are not exactly someone else's bodies; they are also you.

Let's sort this out. You’ve heard that you have seven bodies. Imagine a multi-layered light globe. Each layer of the light globe is made from different material, has a different color, and the holes for the Divine Light to pass through do not align. But deep inside the globe, behind seven "perforated" shells, lies the source of light. This light, entering through the openings of the innermost globe, passes into the space of the next globe, searching for exits and finding the openings in the second globe, continuing on its journey until it breaches the boundaries of the outermost globe—your physical body. And all these inner globes are also you. Each globe contains numerous holes for the light to pass through, and this too is you and your experience of perception.

Can you imagine that? Now try to imagine further that, as the light exits through each hole in each of your inner globes, it also creates a structure of seven spheres within which the light wanders, extending infinitely.

That sounds overwhelming. So, what am I?

You are a part of the Divine Light, refracted in a certain way, determined by all your parts. And in this sense, since all parts of yourself are separated and refract light differently, you cannot influence their choice or the quality of their refraction. But all of this is you. It’s your choice, just as the choices of parts of yourself. Similarly, the Original God's choice is the sum of the choices of its parts.

Then we will never reach the concept of death.

I'm trying to explain. Why can the Spirit leave the body? Why does the Divine Light stop emanating from the body, one part of the Divine lamp? And then the body disintegrates, decays, and now the exit of the Divine Light occurs through the next globe-body.

It leads to the conclusion: is it because, for some reason, this first globe-body stops refracting the Divine Light? Its openings get clogged or overgrown?

Yes, you've understood. This is why God stops receiving the experience of perception through this body.

Isn't it the other way around? God stops receiving the experience of perception through this body because it dies and disintegrates?

No, because then the question arises: why would God stop the continuation of His experience of perception through this body in such a way? If He has no preference in receiving experience, and all His manifestation is the receiving of the experience of perception?

This is your choice. At some stage of your experience, you decide that you no longer want to perceive through your physical body. Your "holes" for the Divine Light to pass through get clogged or overgrown simply because you choose it. You choose old age, frailty, death. You grow tired of existing in your body, and your perception stops being pure in the sense of immediacy and joy of perception. You lose the desire to create and grow.

But some of you cease this experience of perception because you choose to return or continue to perceive the world and the Divine Light through your other globes-bodies. And then the Light of God passes less and less directly through the physical body’s light globe. This globe-body begins to decay precisely because it does not transmit (or transmits to a lesser extent) the Divine Light through itself.

All diseases that arise in the physical body do so precisely because your globe-body does not transmit the Divine Light through itself. Become radiant lamps, and your body will live forever, for as long as you choose to let the Divine Light pass through it.

Wait, but if we fully accept the Divine Light in its pure form, won't our physical bodies be unable to withstand it? They say we can't see angels; their light is too dazzling for us and could burn us.

Yes, that’s exactly why you perceive God’s Light filtered through numerous filter-holes.

So, my death is only possible if I destroy all my light globes-bodies and return back to His center?

No, because then you will remain yourself, that is, some part of God, passed through all filters of perception.

Then what is death?

There is no death. Think about it. Even if all parts of God decided to stop gaining their experience, to stop creating, the experience they have already gained as parts of God, as God's eyes, wouldn't disappear, because nothing can vanish; everything can only transform.

And what will become of all of us, as parts of God, if all parts of God decide to stop gaining experience, to stop creating?

I don’t know. Do you?

No, after all, I am also a ray of God, one of the first.

So, if a person is full of plans and energy, wants to create and continue to gain experience through their physical body, do they not age or die?

Yes. But they must also be confident that they won't age or die. You yourself activate all the mechanisms of aging and wear in your physical body.

Can the wear and tear of the physical body be avoided?

Of course. All the programs are embedded in you. All cells can be renewed, and up to a certain point, they grow and renew themselves. But you are the ones who activate the mechanisms that either slow down or speed up this cell renewal process.

Should I command my body to constantly renew its cells?

You should do this every second, reaffirming your choice. But you allow many virus-programs of your consciousness, brought in by the general development of your society, to break and halt these programs. By listening to advertisements for medicines, stories about diseases and aging, you let information enter you. Any information is energy that begins to work within you.

But then, should one completely isolate oneself from society?

Yes. That is exactly what those among you who are immortal in your world do. They isolate themselves from society, from the matrix-like perception, or have very little contact with it.

Does that mean that as long as I live in society, I will still age and get sick?

No, not necessarily. You can choose not to perceive this information, to block its development within you. But this is more difficult because the virus is constantly mutating. Just like more powerful viruses are always found in your computers, no matter what software protection is in place.

Who creates these viruses?

Those who want to use them for their purposes, those who perceive the world this way, and this is their creation in that sense, their way of perceiving, their choice. You can choose not to accept this every day. That is why many of you have come to the understanding that external sources of information, such as television and news, should be isolated. This is how you can cleanse your perception of externally imposed programs.

So, is it impossible for an immortal person to live in the city?

How do you imagine that? They simply wouldn’t be allowed to. People would ask why they aren’t aging, they would impose their perception programs, and so on. Sooner or later, an informational virus will break through their confidence that they are not aging, and they will activate their own aging and death mechanisms.

Are there many immortals among us?

You are all immortal. There are quite a few who have chosen immortal existence in a physical body.

I have another question that troubles me. In the picture you’ve painted, everything is so beautiful, the rays of Divine Light travel through prisms of perception. But there are various teachings among us that say there are entities above or among us that literally feed on our awareness. For example, in the teachings of North American Indians, they are called flyers. In Christianity, they are referred to as demons, creatures, entities. What is this? Is Divine Light refracted in this way? Are we someone's food?

You also feed. Why do you eat?

To live, for my physical body to exist, to grow.

You grow and change because all the programs for your body’s development are embedded in you. Your nourishment is essentially the receipt of energy. This is one of the forms of receiving the Divine Impulse from outside. You can receive it from within to continue the processes in your body, to create your body. You can receive these impulses from outside. Receiving them is what you call consuming awareness.

When you eat an apple, you perceive the Light of God, refracted in that apple. You destroy the physical shell, the physical form of this apple, and in doing so, the Divine Impulse embedded in it is released, and you absorb it. This way, you restore a certain balance of Divine Energy that is embedded in you and expended on various processes of your vital activity.

But this is just one of the ways to restore Divine energy within yourself and replenish it. There are various forms of energy nourishment, and you have examples of people who live off prana. A person cannot avoid drinking because water carries information about the world into their body. This is also one way of perceiving, one way of learning about changes happening outside of themselves, through their bodies. But a person can replace physical food with another way of restoring Divine Energy.

Every created entity ultimately feeds on Divine Light, for without it, there is no life.

But what does the expenditure of Divine Energy mean? It doesn’t disappear anywhere. And if I create only within myself, then this energy remains within me.

Yes, but it becomes denser and less accessible for perception; it becomes separated from you. Thus, the amount of non-separated energy from you, or rather, the Divine energy enclosed within you, decreases.

So, do certain forms exist that feed on our energy? Without our knowledge and consent?

By opening the boundaries of your perception and not protecting yourself, you are consenting to this. In this sense, no one can do it without your knowledge.

I don't understand. I can't see them; I've just read about them. About the fact that if the flyers didn't consume our bubbles of awareness, we would have long since reached higher levels of development.

Everything that exists in the world interacts. You cannot change this fact. Even if you lock yourself in an impenetrable capsule, you will still be interacting with other parts of God. Interaction is the experience, perception, and creation. How you choose to interact with other parts of God is your choice, and that's where your freedom of choice lies. But other parts of you also choose their ways of interacting, perceiving, and creating. There are no limitations, no good or bad.

By interacting with any part of God outside yourself, you absorb part of His Divine Light, refract part of Him outward, and direct Him. In other words, speaking in your language, you give something of your own outside yourself and accept something foreign into yourself. This is the process of interaction.

The amount of Divine Light in the world does not decrease; it always exists. Moreover, it increases. God expands. Therefore, there is always enough Divine Light for everyone to live. But the balance of incoming and outgoing energy must be maintained in you as a form; otherwise, you might burst like a balloon if there is too much energy or flatten if there is too little.

But, since you are not isolated from the outside world, energy flows constantly circulate in and out of you. This is a constant and natural process. This is how all existence functions.

But there is something else. When you have excess energy that you are not ready for, and your balloon-body could burst, where can this excess go? Nothing disappears, and there is always someone who might need this excess energy. This is how many forms of God arose, which feed on the excess energy of those unable to consume it themselves. You call them flyers. In reality, there are many such beings, and they vary depending on the type of awareness energy they consume. Some feed on the energy of fear and anger. And there are those who feed on more subtle feelings.